Welcome to the Gateway Electric Vehicle Club's website. We are a registered chapter of the Electric Auto Association (EAA) made up of individuals living in the Saint Louis area that believe electric vehicles (EVs) are an important part of the solution to our global energy crisis. The main goal of our group is to raise awareness around the benefits of EVs. We do this by attending community events, converting and helping others convert their cars into EVs, conducting EV club meetings, and providing EV information to interested parties. If you think our dependence on polluting gasoline burning vehicles needs to come to and end then consider joining our club to help us get our message across. Click on the join us link for more information on how to help.
Nov 12th 2015
GEVA MINUTES 11/8/15
Minutes from 10/11/15 were read and approved.
The unofficial EVCCON 2015 event was discussed. Dale said that Jack and EVTV would probably have a similar event for next year- smaller and at the EVTV shop.
Wayne asked about the numbers for the National Drive Electric Event (NDEW) event in St. Louis this year. He thought it was about half as big as last year. Dale said that it is probably because EVs are old news now that dealers are selling them. Helmut said another reason is that gas is cheap now.
Dale informed the club that he had a problem with his small 12V (30AH) aux battery in his Ranger conversion discharging when the truck was not used for several months. Wayne said the drain when off was about 200mA and this could cause the problem over time. Dale bought a $5 disconnect switch on Ebay to solve the problem.
Jason asked what makes EVs so expensive and Dale said that they should not be. He said that there is much expense of pollution and other regulation equipment on gas cars and that the makers of EVs are simply greedy.
Wayne told of an email he received on a Renewable Energy Project hosted by the Rockwood Summit High School. They are having a benefit car show on April 2, 2016. They are looking to have more than 200 EVs in the show. The registration fee is $15. The website is www.facebook.com/RSHSBiodiesel or contact Darin Peters email@example.com for more info.
Wayne said there is a Webinar on 11/19/15 at 2PM ET talking about EVs and charging stations. It is sponsored by plug- in- America. Contact firstname.lastname@example.org
Keven Herdler of the Clean Cities group informed Wayne of an Electric Transportation Summit 2015 to be held on 12/1/15 in St. Louis. Ameren and others are hosting it. www.eei.org/meetings gives more information. The deadline to sign up is 11/13/15.
Mark Luedde asked Wayne to see if anyone in the club would like to be the administrator for the Facebook page he started for GEVA some time ago.
Wayne informed the club that Josh told him the broken GEM (from the Science Center) has been trashed.
Wayne said that next month the president of Charge Starter (Mike Murphy) will discuss how the non-profit company plans to crowd fund charging stations in the St. Louis area.
Wayne showed the Tesla model X rollout video from EVTV’s website. It is titled “The Safest SUV Ever”.
Oct 27th 2015
GEVA MINUTES 10/11/15
Minutes from 9/13/15 were read and approved.
Kyle spoke about the unofficial EVCCON 2015 event the week of 9/20/15 in Cape Girardeau. It was held at the EVTV facility and hosted by Jack Rickard. Kyle lead a lengthy discussion on a new motorcycle motor and Jack’s hacking of a Tesla drive train. Results of the EVs at the drag strip at Sikeston were reported. Smart Electronics (ed CAN bus) was also a topic at the event. Kyle said that Jack is working on hacking the Tesla supercharger as well as working on other interesting topics.
Tyler spoke about the numbers from the NDEW event and passed the NDEW City Captains final report around for the group to view.
An article on “The Five Most Ignorant Media Myths about Electric Cars” from a recent issue of Current Events (EAA publication) was passed around and discussed.
Kyle played the video on Leaf Battery Testing aired by EVTV and hosted by Jack Rickard.
Oct 27th 2015
GEVA MINUTES 9/13/15
Minutes from 8/9/15 were read and approved.
Tyler announced the Green Products and Services EXPO at the Science Center for 10/14/15 at 5:00 pm. It is by invitation of Keven Herdler of the Clean Cities Program StLCleanCities.org
Aug 21st 2015
GEVA MINUTES 8/9/15
Minutes from 7/12/15 were read and approved.
Tyler informed the club on the NDEW event Sep 20 at the planetarium. He said there should be 10 – 20 C-cars at the event. He said that he has 100 charge hangers to be given to people who bring their EVs for display. Charge hangers are placed on the J1772 charging plug when in public use. They give information as to the time the charge started and whether it is an “opportunity” or “necessary” charge. This will tell others if they can unplug the charging vehicle and use the charger for their own vehicle. Owner contact information can also be supplied.
Tyler also said there will be a Drive-in movie event on Sep 19 that is not part of the NDEW event. The show is “What is an Electric Vehicle”. It is at Clean Cut Creations Vintage Auto Works and is limited to 50 plug-in electric vehicles. Gates open at 5:00 with $20 for dinner and the show. At 6:45 it is $10 for snacks and the show.
Wayne said he was contacted by Erik at EnergyCurb. EnergyCurb is a company that sells a device to track home energy usage. It can be accessed through the internet. Erik said Evers were interested in the device to track their vehicle energy usage. You can contact him at Erik@EnergyCurb.com.
Wayne asked if anyone had ideas for upcoming presentations for the club. Any question they have or an article they have seen about EVs would be fair game.
Wayne said he saw a study asking whether charging stations (or lack of them) influence the buying of and electric vehicle. The study revealed that charging stations are not the main reasons for people buying EVs. Instead, the sales are more influenced by price and tax incentives.
Jim showed some videos he recorded about electric vehicles. The club members enjoyed them and they are shown below.
How it’s Made…Charging Station (Previously Shown)
Formula E Report (New? – about 4 minutes)
60 Minutes…Car Hack (New – about 8 minutes)
We’ve Got the Power (New – about 48 minutes)
Jul 24th 2015
GEVA MINUTES 7/12/15
Minutes from 6/14/15 were read and approved.
Tyler informed the club on the upcoming National Drive Electric Week (NDEW) event here at the Planetarium parking lot September 20, 2105. He is hosting a C-Car show event in the circle drive. The C cars are neighborhood vehicles like the Citi Car, and Commucar made in the ‘70s. He expects to have about 20 cars from across the country with prizes awarded in several categories. There will be an EV vehicle parade before or after the show.
Tyler is working on getting some NDEW shirts and has about 100 handout tags. He said that NDEW has lots of tips and tricks to make the show VERY big if we want.
Tyler said that Nissan and ELCO Cadillac could be charged a fee for coming. Their sales have been up over 12% for people that ride and drive their cars. Maybe the dealers would provide water bottles for the event. Tyler suggested that the clubs that sponsor the event such as the Sierrra Club and EAA could help with any insurance issues pertaining to bringing our vehicles. Many dealers have canopy’s that they use for events and they may be able to loan them to us if we need them.
Tyler gave a letter to Josh that he had sent to Mayor Slay (St. Louis) inviting him to be a sponsor or promote the event. Josh will see if the Science Center (SLSC) can follow up on the letter with their connections to St. Louis City.
John said that he will organize the Tesla group to give rides in their cars. Tesla also has canopy’s that they can bring. Tyler suggested that maybe Tesla could handout shirts an or water bottles.
Josh said that the SLSC is working on graphics for the event and will let us know when they are done.
Tyler asked Bill Pastor of ELCO if he could put an EV car in front of the SLSC for advertizing a week before. Bill indicated that they could. The dealers will give rides and drives as they have insurance for the drives.
Wayne said he brought his VW Beetle conversion to the Green Homes Festival (June 20) held this year in Faust Park. There was no rain and there was quite a bit of interest in his vehicle. The Solar car from MS&T (Rolla) was there too. Their cars are required to have a “battery monitoring system (BMS)”. They top balance their cells for maximum range.
Dale and Wayne gave a presentation on “Finding a bad cell in a lithium battery pack”. Dale has been having some problems with cells in his pack and is trying to understand the cause.
Jun 21st 2015
GEVA MINUTES 6/14/15
Minutes from 5/10/15 were read and approved.
Helmut said he would take over from Kyle the social meeting at the Schlafley bottleworks. It will be one likely the last week of the month on a Thursday.
Wayne brought up the requirement of insurance at the Green Homes Festival June 20. They required 1 million dollars of liability insurance for us to bring our cars. After he told them that we are individual owners of EVs and do not have that amount of insurance, they contacted St. Louis County who allowed us to come without insurance. Tyler said that the insurance was because our cars were on a county parking lot and not on the street. Josh offered that the Science Center may be able to represent us and avoid the insurance in the future.
Wayne told of his meeting with the SLU “Charge Starter” group last week. The group is starting a non-profit company for this project. The company would be non-profit but would not be able to accept tax deductible contributions. Wayne thought that would not be much of a problem if the donations were small. The SLU group is graduating and will not be able to continue the project. They have asked if the EV clubs in town (Volt, Tesla, and GEVA) if they would continue the project. SLU will provide the legal services to set up the company. Mike Murphy from the Volt group and John VonBokel from the Tesla group said they would like to help. Josh said he would like to see the project go forward -perhaps with help from the SLSC. There were no objections to GEVA assisting the project. The SLU group said they could give a presentation of the plan to GEVA and the club liked that idea.
The Drive Electric Week event is September 20 on the Planetarium parking lot. Tyler is working on advertizing in Hemmings motor magazine. He is also working on Posters and stickers for the event. He is in charge of the C Car group at the event and is locating lodging and entertainment for out of town participants.
Dale gave some information on the depreciation of Nissan LEAF electric vehicles. He said that new EVs should not have a $40,000 price tag because the parts do not cost near that much. Recently many LEAF EVs are coming in after lease and, because the owners want a new vehicle, the used vehicles are not holding their value. There is not a market for these “used” vehicles because of concerns about buying a vehicle with a used battery. There have been concerns about the vehicles because they cannot work on them. Tyler said that Nissan is now offering an 8 year warranty on the LEAF battery. Wayne said some used LEAF vehicles are selling for under $15,000.
Dale said that some ChadeMO charging stations do not meet the specification of 50-500V and that the companies making the stations are designing them for battery packs over 300 volts (as in the LEAF). This would mean that some conversion vehicles would not be able to charge at a ChadeMO station.
Norman gave a talk on the “History of Electric Vehicles”. It was a very interesting and informative presentation. It presented the real factors that lead to the adoption of gas vehicles over electric vehicle in the early days of the automobile. It also explained the advantages of electric vehicles over ICE vehicles.
May 15th 2015
GEVA MINUTES 5/10/15
Minutes from 4/12/15 were read and approved.
Wayne said that Josh (SLSC) has a Honda Civic conversion for sale by his father. It has lead acid batteries that need replacing. It should be a good candidate for using lithium batteries. Terry Ferguson is also selling a 1980 Electric Comuta car at auction. Date and time is May 20 at 10:30AM. Location is 16 Provence, Lake St. Louis, MO 63367.
Kyle said that he talked to Schlafleys Bottleworks and they are happy to have our club meet there during the week for social meetings to show and talk about our electric vehicles. They may also provide a meeting room.
Wayne reported on Earth Day this year Apr 26 at Forest Park. There were 7 EVs there. 2 Teslas, a Leaf, a Zenn and 3 conversions, VW Beetle, Ranger, and Vanagen with solar panels. The cars were in front of the Muny box office next to the Science Center EVie truck. There was quite a bit of interest in the cars.
Wayne told of the Green Homes Festival held this year in Faust Park instead of at the Missouri Botanical Garden. The date is June 20 and time from 9-4. They requested an EV and Wayne said he could bring his Beetle conversion. They also wanted to know if they could have a Tesla as well.
Rick said that he recently bought a replacement lead acid battery from Staab Battery. They are in town. He said the battery was quite a bit cheaper than from Batteries Plus.
Josh took the Smith Electric Truck (EVie) from the SLSC to the Laumeier Art Fair on May 9. Wayne helped him unload the exhibits and set up the displays. It was a rainy day so the crowds were small.
Wayne gave the club some information from Jack Rickard at EVTV about the Digital Millennia Copyright Act (DMCA) that congress passed in 1998. It was originally passed for protection of CDs and DVDs but is now being threatened by the automakers to make it illegal to attempt to defeat protection means of copyrighted material. In effect, it would bar individuals from attempting to decode or reverse engineer software contained on vehicles made by the automakers. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has filed an exemption to prevent automakers from filing lawsuits against people repairing or modifying their vehicles.
Alessandro informed the club of the company Biotrode that makes lead acid battery packs and is looking to develop lithium packs. He has a connection with the company and suggested that our club may be able to collaborate with them in this endeavor. Biotrode currently works with the university RIT in New York. Alessandro also said that Indy Power is working on a system to combine different types of batteries in a pack. Kyle said that Boston Power is working on new modular lithium packs with a high power to weight ratio.
Kathy gave a very informative talk on Solar Power. It highlighted the design considerations as well as the cost.
May 8th 2015
GEVA will be at the Green Homes Festival on Saturday June 20. It will be at Faust Park in St. Louis from 9AM to 4PM. We plan to have two Electric Vehicles at the event. Come and talk about EVs!
Apr 17th 2015
GEVA MINUTES 4/12/15
Minutes from 3/8/15 were read and approved.
Kyle and Tyler reported on the Easter Show which we did not attend. Only one third of the normal number attended the show.
Josh informed the club on the Earth Day coming up on April 26. This year the roads to the event will be closed on the day of the event so groups will have to unload the night before. Josh will ask for an exception for our vehicles as we would not want to leave them overnight. Jim, Cliff, Kyle and Wayne said they could bring vehicles. Ed. Earth Day will allow us to bring our vehicles in by 7:45AM the day of the event. Dale and Tyler said they will also bring vehicles so we are now full at 6 vehicles.
John from the Tesla group said they are planning to have a Model S and possibly a P85D at Earth Day.
Josh told of his efforts to organize the National Drive Electric Week event Sep 20 on the Planetarium parking lot in Forest Park. He is working on getting a website up through the Science Center. Tyler volunteered to put this event on some free publications of car shows such as Hemmings. He mentioned that flyers advertising future car shows are put in vehicles at shows, so we might think to have some flyers made to advertise the Drive Electric show. Wayne said the flyers could be paid for from the club funds. Tyler would also like to include a C-car show at the Drive Electric show.
Josh said the Science Center (SLSC) would like an exhibit or display to show an electric vehicle conversion in progress. The conversion would happen over one or two months. Members of the club are interested in working with this project and we could do the conversion so that it could be easily taken apart to show the different parts and stages in the conversion project.
Wayne asked about the SLSC GEM neighborhood vehicle and its progress to get it running. Wayne and Dale have already inspected it and volunteered to work on it. Kyle and Tyler said they would help as well.
New Business: Kyle suggested that our club have social meeting once a month at a local business. The club thought it was a good idea. He said Schlafly Bottleworks would be a good place to meet. This would not be a business meeting but a chance for all to come and talk and show their vehicles. The last Thursday of the month, in the evening, was considered. Cliff said that this event would bring a different crowd and might bring new members to the club. John said Schlafly might reserve some parking spaces with cones for us.
Tyler suggested that Dale might be interested in the VP position for the club. The members voted in favor. Dale was not at the meeting but, Wayne said he would talk to Dale and see if he would accept the position.
Wayne reported on a new “Right to Repair” law passed in Massachusetts. It requires all auto dealers that sell vehicles in the state, make all the information provided to the dealers available to any resident of the state at reasonable cost. The law was put on the ballot by petition and passed by over 85% of the vote. Ed. As far as known, no other state has such a law.
Josh showed an informative 3D movie in a SLSC room downstairs on “Electrifying the Grid”.
Mar 15th 2015
GEVA MINUTES 3/8/15
Minutes from 2/8/15 were read and approved.
Tyler talked about the Easter Show with the Horseless Carriage Club. There is construction in the upper Muny parking lot so the only space for vehicles is on the side of the roads. The club decided not to attend this event.
Wayne reported on the Electric Car Night at the Magdalen Fish Fry on Mar 6. Electric cars included two Volts, Tesla, and VW Beetle conversion. Attendees were John, Mike, John, and Wayne and Norman. There were over a hundred at the event and several rides were given.
Josh reported on Earth Day at Forest Park this year. Our club is partnering with the Science Center this year. We have been given space for 2 vehicles so far but we hope to have a few more. The transportation area this year has been moved to the front of the Muny so there is limited space for vehicles.
Wayne reported on the Mindfest class scheduled for April 8 at 7PM at the Novel Neighbor bookstore at 7905 Big Bend Rd. Wayne, Dale, and Ron E. will present the class “Electric Vehicles Explained”. Cost is $20 with registration at www.mindfeststl.com.
Wayne reported that another St. Louis University group headed by Bill Brynda is also planning to increase charging options for the St. Louis area. Their plan is to set up a non-profit company and use crowd funding to install Level 2 charging stations at locations determined by the crowd. The group would identify businesses that would be willing to have a station installed. The cost to install a station would be determined and when the crowd put in enough money, the station would be built. The business would only be required to pay the minimal cost of electricity but would benefit with increased sales. Wayne said that Dr. Mike has installed a charging station at his business and it has already paid for itself in sales.
Austin and Sukant, from St. Louis University, told of their business plan increase the use of EV’s by reducing “range anxiously”. The plan would include a mobile DC fast charging vehicle that would come to a location to charge an EV when called. EV owners would pay a monthly fee for the service. Corporate partners would help with the capital costs. The hope is that people would feel better about buying and EV with this support.
Austin and Sukant provided this survey they took at the meeting.
Meeting Minutes from EV Club meeting 03/08/2015
Motivation for EV
Cost of ownership . Lot cheaper to run , 3 cent per mile compared to 20 Cent per mile on the lower side
( vary based on gas prices). Environmental impact .
Barrier for EV Adoption
Charging stations , Initial cost – Volt 38K / Sticker shock .
Its a perception problem . Good questions – how much would you pay for a car that run 150 mile per
EV Owner driving pattern
30 – 40 miles avg per day . Carry around a generator .
60 Miles per day – Drives a leaf . 40 Miles – Nissan leaf , No issues , had to charge 2 hr for a
detour/tour . Generally on a day to day not a problem.
c-max energy , 20 miles , 240 V charging set at home , 14 mile one way commute , No problem .
Switch over electric or gas.
Certainly to a degree , needs planning .
On demand service – Could use for convenience , there could be a problem for accessing the car for
getting the truck to the car
Paying service – Much more willing to pay for Quick charge than Level 2. Prefer to have Quick Charge –
Right off the highway.
Strategic Location is key.
Demographics – EV owner are generally rich clientele , Golf clubs , Hospitals.
Level 2 Charger would work for places – Ballpark, Football stadium , Convention center , Grant farm ,
People living in Apartments , compared to someone who have Garages – Willingness to pay is different.
People living in apartment are not a demographics who buy ev , true for stl not for california. Upscale
apartments could be a target.
People living in apartment have a greater need for Public charging in absence of in-home charging
Value added services along with On-demand charging /trucks – Check the air pressure , Towing service.
Partnership – MetroLink . Ameren , AAA
CarShare programs , ZipCar. Book it from your phone and pick it from Charging stations while charging
Existing charging options in St. Luis
- ChargePoint level II Charging station
- Dealership . Nissan Dealership – DC Fast charge. 20-30 minutes to top it off ( 80% charge)
Dealership charge money for charging if you haven’t bought the car from them. 5$ for 20 minutes .
- Corporate Campus
Bausch and Lomb – Both got level 2 chargers . Science center have 2 . Strictly for employee.
Management decision to put the chargers.